dear Sergio,

Agreed with your comment. I am a Canadian producer of experimental, often
electronic sound, and I live in Montreal, so I have had some contact with
the CEC. Although I wouldn't call my own work "electroacoustic," it is often
labelled as such. It is this type of institutional structure that simply
ensures the division between the nomads exterior to the institution and
those composers interior to its increasingly dated structures.

And expensive pyramid schemes!

I know of few academic composers would would even be willing to afford such
production costs.

I find this whole proposal a little hard to believe. Who in their right mind
would pay so much cash to release a simple track?

It's also difficult to reconcile with the truly innovative spirits I have
met at the CEC and who are open to non-institutional music (read:
experimental electronica).

A step backwards, this one.

CD burners, pirate radio, net radio .. DVD burners .. keep hackin' --


tobias c. van Veen

> Hi,
> I just recieved from this list this one "Call for participation"
> pasted below. It apparently comes from an institution, the Canadian
> Electroacoustic Community.
> 
> Besides the odd flavor this thing has ("Participation in this project
> guarantees composers that their work reaches hundreds of interested
> people" just sounds bad to me), as an older and somewhat more
> experienced musician I can't help but notice that if:
> 
> "the production wing of the CEC will produce and disseminate a
> minimum of 1000 copies of a double CD",
> 
> and: "The standard cost to participant is $2 USD per second, (or $120
> USD/minute)"
> 
> being a cd approx 70 minutes, that makes USD 16.800 from the artists
> to CEC (120 X 70 X 2). If a thousand copies are printed, that makes a
> budget of 168  dollaros americanos for each copy. To print a cd costs
> a few cents, a bit more for a double cd; you make a cool 16 page
> bilingual booklet? A few more cents.
> 
> Then maybe your work will be selected by eminent musicians with black
> clothing and/or beards? Nah: "Inclusion will be on a first-come,
> first-served basis (this will be decided by reception of the work,
> signed cheque and contract)."
> 
> Listen to a fool (as we say in Italy): CD burner, mp3 encoder and the
> internet are still your best friends and publishers - cheap and clean
> all the way.
> 
> be well
> 
> Sergio Messina
> RadioGladio
> 
> 
> 
> PRESS RELEASE - Please post and forward freely
> Productions electro Productions (PeP)
> August 2003, Montréal
> 
> 
> Call for participation - PRESENCE IV
> 
> 
> PRESENCE IV will be the fourth self-funded double CD compilation of
> electroacoustic works continuing the PRESENCE series.
> 
> Information on the PRESENCE series is here:
> 
> http://cec.concordia.ca/CD/
> 
> 
> Participation in PRESENCE IV:
> 
> Productions électro Productions (PeP), the production wing of the CEC,
> will produce and disseminate a minimum of 1000 copies of a double CD,
> packaged with a 16 page bilingual booklet.
> 
> Participation in this project guarantees composers that their work
> reaches hundreds of interested people and supports the activities of the
> CEC on behalf of the national and international ea/ sa community. Past
> PRESENCE CDs were sent around the globe to concert producers, radio
> stations, educational facilities and cultural organizations, resulting
> with pieces receiving recurring concert and radio performances.
> 
> 
> What participation requires:
> 
> The standard cost to participant is $2 USD per second, (or $120
> USD/minute); however there are reduced rates for CEC members and members
> of other national and international ea/sa associations ** (see 'Rates
> for Participation' below).
> 
> Participating composers will be required to sign a contract, permitting
> PeP to undertake this project on their behalf but composers will retain
> copyright in the work, and can receive royalties for any broadcast or
> concert performance from their performing rights society. The contract
> may be consulted and downloaded from the CEC's website:
> 
> http://cec.concordia.ca/Files/CEC_contract.html
> 
> Depending upon composer's wishes, works may be placed on the CEC's web
> site to further the promotion of this project, and may be added to the
> SONUS collection of electroacoustic works (www.sonus.ca).
> 
> 
> Notice of intention to participate should be sent immediately to
> presence@xxxxxxxxxxxx Inclusion will be on a first-come, first-served
> basis (this will be decided by reception of the work, signed cheque and
> contract). Production will start once both CDs are filled, but composers
> will be consulted regularly and notified if production is not expected
> to be completed 18 months from this call.
> 
> 
> Rates for Participation
> 
> Regular Rates $2 USD/second ($120 USD/minute).
> 
> DISCOUNTED RATES
> 
> - Permanent Members of the CEC $1.50 CAD/second.
> - Members of recognized national / international ea/cm organizations (
> ** see below for examples) $1.50 USD/second.
> - Non-Permanent CEC members and other Canadians $1.75 CAD/second.
> 
> 
> Works of duration of less than 3 minutes 5 seconds will be charged a
> flat rate, regardless of actual duration:
> 
> Regular                           $360 USD
> Permanent Members of the CEC      $270 CAD
> Members of ea/cm orgs             $270 USD
> Other Canadians                   $315 CAD
> 
> Cheques or money orders may be addressed to the CEC (address follows).
> 
> 
> Submission Guidelines
> 
> Composers wishing to submit their piece should send an email to:
> <presence@xxxxxxxxxxx> stating their desire to participate. Further
> submission guidelines will be sent at this time.
> 
> 
> ** Organizations nationales et internationales d'ea/cm/sa:
> Recognized national / international ea/cm/sa organizations:
> 
> ACMA - Australasian Computer Music Association
> AIMI - AIMI - Assoziazione Italiana de Informatica Musicale
> ALIM - Asociacion Latinaomericana de Informatica Musical
> AMEE - Asociacion de Musica Electroacustica de Espana
> Ars Sonora - Federation francaise de musique electroacoustique
> Association des Compositeurs Grecs de Musique Electroacoustique
> CIME/ICEM - Confederation internationale de musique electroacoustique /
> International Confederation of Electroacoustic Music
> DegeM - Deutsche Gesellschaft fuer Elektroakustische Musik
> EMF - Electronic Music Foundation
> EMS - Elektroakustisk Musik i Sverige
> F.Ar.M.E. - Federacion Argentina de Musica Electroacustica
> Federation Belge de musique electroacoustique
> Federation israelienne d'electroacoustique
> Federation nationale hongroise de la CIME
> GEM - Gesellschaft fur Elektroakustische Musik    or
> GEM - Gesellschaft Elektronischer Musik
> ICMA - International Computer Music Association
> Japan Computer Music Association
> JMACS - Japanese Music and Computer Society
> KEAMS - Korean Electroacoustic Music Society
> NEAR - Netherlands Electro-Acoustic Repertoirecentre
> NICE - New International Community of Electroacoustic Music
> NICEM - Norwegian CIME/ICEM
> PEM - Vereniging voor Producenten van Elektroakoestische Muziek
> Polish Section of the CIME/ICEM
> Russian Federation of Electroacoustic Music
> SAN - Sonic Arts Network
> SBME - Sociedade Brasileira de Musica Eletroacustica
> Schweizerische Gesellschaft fuer Elektroakustische Musik
> SEAMUS - Society for Electro Acoustic Music in the United States
> SFIM - Societe Francaise d'Informatique Musicale
> Sociedad Venezolana de Musica Electroacustica
> Svenska CIME/ICEM
> TCMN - Texas Computer Musicians' Network
> 
> 
> 
> -- Ian Chuprun
> Special Projects Manager
> 
> =>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>=>
> Communauté électroacoustique canadienne (CEC)
> Canadian Electroacoustic Community (CEC)
> RF-302, 7141, rue Sherbrooke Ouest.
> Montréal, QC, H4B 1R6, CANADA
> 
> Fax: (514) 848-2808
> mailto:ian@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> http://cec.concordia.ca
> http://www.econtact.ca
> http://www.sonus.ca
> 
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