maex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> strange posting indeed. what is this synpatico.ca-project about?

Sympatico.ca has nothing to do with the PRESENCE IV project. It is simply my
connection to the internet.


> is this culture-art releated or just a plain capitalistic
> moneyearningmaschine?

The Canadian Electroacoustic Community (CEC) is Canada's national arts
organization for creators working in the broad field of electroacoustics
(including radio arts). As the CEC is a non-profit, project-funded arts service
organization, it is fairly far away from a capitalistic adventure. The CEC is
run by a volunteer board of sonic artists and composers.

PRESENCE IV is a promotional project for participants, and a fund raising
project for the CEC. The work is done by volunteers, and the costs to
composers/artists is set to cover the manufacturing/mailing costs, with the
remainder of the budget headed to aiding other CEC projects (see below). In the
past, about $10 000 was raised to pay for the double-CD and the CEC managed to
'not-spend' close to $2000 (this is the fund raising part).


If you dont want to support the CEC and its activities, I suggest now is a good
time to use your delete button. But before you delete this email, try having a
look at some of the other projects the CEC is doing on less than a shoe-string budget:

http://www.sonus.ca
http://econtact.ca

I think a few discordant voices on this list might prefer the sonus.ca project.
It is, after all, free to you to use, enjoy and contribute to. PRESENCE IV is
one way of aiding SONUS.

Getting into the nitty gritty...

> i mean 120$$$/min...1200/10minutes...and you can
> easily produce 500 copies at you own.....

To clarify:
Regular Rates $2 USD/second 

Discounted rates:
 - Permanent Members of the CEC $1.50 CAD/second.
 - Members of recognized national / international ea/cm organizations ( ** see
below for examples) $1.50 USD/second.
 - Non-Permanent CEC members and other Canadians $1.75 CAD/second.

There is nothing stopping anyone with a 10 minute piece from joining the CEC
($60 CAD or $45 USD) and taking advantage of the discounted rate: $1.5 x 60 x 10
= $900 CAD = $675 USD. Including the membership costs, this is fairly far away
from your $1200 USD quoted above.

The little prices:

If you are not interested in the quality of the sound, the commercial Canadian
price for duplicating CDs is about 80 cents per CD for a minimum run of 500 CDs.
The films (2 colors) are $15 per film. PRESENCE IV is a double CD.

Like I said,these are the prices if you are not interested in the quality of the
sound. If you are interested, then I suggest you read:

http://cec.concordia.ca/pep/mastering_e.html

as it will open some eyes to how people making music are losing sound quality
just about every time they go through a step from audio on the computer to the
final pressed cd.

If you are interested in the quality of the sound you need to take into account
the dithering issue of going from 96/24 to 44.1/16. You also need to concern
yourself with a correct glass master and a compatible pressing plant.
Pre-mastering is a totally different issue, and I wont go into it here.

Back to the budget:

A booklet can be about 200-400$ for printing for 500 copies, but can go higher
depending on the printer. Usually the CEC prints twice the number required as
the CEC CDs usually go into a second pressing. (Meaning 2000 copies get printed).

Translation can be anywhere between 10 and 25 cents per word. Sometimes the
translation is donated. 

The artwork, layout, editing, proofreading etc is done by volunteers. 

The CEC uses a sleeve rather than a jewel case as this allows the CEC to take
advantage of the present Post Canada mailing rates. Jewel cases are heavy (and
ugly but this is besides the point) and since this project is very much aimed at
getting copies mailed to people, the final package weight is important. The CEC
easily spends $3000-4000 on mailing.

The CDs are sent to people and institutions who are 'friendly' to ea, meaning
that if they are radio hosts who will play the CD, they get a copy, etc. There
are reviews of the past issues on http://cec.concordia.ca/cd/ and
http://www.electrocd.com and the performances in concert and on radio are
tracked by a volunteer.

The database of addresses is maintained by a paid administrator.

There is probably more to write here, but I have to go. If you would like more
info, please write to:

presence@xxxxxxxxxxx


If you are still interested in attacking the CEC's credibility, then I suggest
you take a look here:

http://cec.concordia.ca/eflash/2003_sept.html

You would be hard pressed to find a comparably transparent arts organization.

I was not paid to reply to this email.

Regards,

Ian

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